anybody use a no bark collar?

Leslie · March 24, 2009, 06:33:37 PM

Seriously Loki is driving DH crazy. And he makes it worse. He rewards her with food to shut her up. I can't seem to re-train HIM, so maybe.... your thoughts? I know I know it sounds inhumane! but read

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Guinness · March 25, 2009, 03:23:06 AM

:scratch: Hmmm . . .

A no bark collar. I say go for it. Just make sure you can set it to a jolt big enough to stun DH into compliance.

Auntie Karen

peterparker · March 25, 2009, 04:43:27 AM

I used a no bark collar on my jrt once. It left him a quivering mess. He barked it jolted, then he cried. As I was running to get it off him, every noise he made caused another jolt. He got 4 jolts altogether before I could get it off him, and as I was taking it off, I got jolted. IT HURT. He shook for days after, and hid in fear. Wouldn't come to anybody. It was horrible. Classic signs of a severely abused dog.
I chucked it in the garbage immediately, and I still feel guilty for what i did. I would never recommend a collar like that, especially for a doxie.
Try a citronella collar, or something that you can control by remote. Becareful how you set it.
With Parker I just use tell him no barking, and if he continues I use a small water pistol. He just sees me reaching for it and he settles right down. Parker is way to skittish for a collar, and I don't need an angry, timid, unpredictable quivering mess of a dog.

sollysmom · March 25, 2009, 07:01:41 AM

I personally wouldn't use one because I feel anything that hurts is not for me. What my B-I-L did with his dog was to teach her to speak, then when she got that he would say no speak when she barked when she wasn't suppose to. It worked for him. Goodluck whichever way you decide to try. :xfinger:

Darcel

PS I love Aunit Karen's idea about stunning your darling DH.

Leslie · March 25, 2009, 07:47:06 AM

Quote from: sollysmom on March 25, 2009, 07:01:41 AM

PS I love Aunit Karen's idea about stunning your darling DH.

yeah, me too. :heart:
she does hate to be squirted with water! Zuzu's trainer told us "it has to seem like the house is doing it--otherwise they associate it (the punishment) with you and will do the bad behavior when you're not around. (I know that I didn't explain it right.)

I think the citronella collar might be better and after all, I could always use water. I got to thinking about it more and more last night and decided the electric shock was not a good idea given her past cervical disc issue.

It's just that I was desperate last night and I cannot get DH to comply. I SAID: "You have to put up with the demand barking for 10 nights and she'll be re-trained THAT SHE'S NOT GONNA GET A TREAT EVERYTIME SHE BARKS AT YOU." It really is driving a wedge between us. He knows the answer to the problem, refuses to do it and then complains that it's still a problem. (insert exasperated swear word of your choice here.)

Thanks, you guys, you pretty much re-inforced what I really already knew. Always appreciate your input.

doxielady5569128 · March 25, 2009, 09:49:42 AM

I would definately not use a no-bark collar. I think she would get confused about why her behavior that used to be rewarded with treats is now giving her a shock. I would definately go with the citronella one.

Guinness · March 25, 2009, 12:09:55 PM

But seriously, folks . . .

Cesar will use calm assertive behavior and his famous "CH-CH-CH" sound, approaching the barker to claim the space around him and establish that he is pack leader; pupper is off-duty.

It does work. Guinness will stop, or at least tone it down to a throaty growl!

Auntie K.

Leslie · March 25, 2009, 01:18:00 PM

Quote from: Guinness on March 25, 2009, 12:09:55 PM
Cesar will use calm assertive behavior and his famous "CH-CH-CH" sound, approaching the barker to claim the space around him and establish that he is pack leader; pupper is off-duty.
Auntie K.

I have used the claiming space method to no avail. Also the "neck bite" method. The neck bite method was beginning to work and then, HEY she ruptured a disc!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't think that those "bites" actiually caused a healthy disc to rupture, but is it coincidence? I think not.

I would like to use the no-bark collar (and I'll go for the citronella) only in that witching hour when DH wants to relax and watch the news. That's when the demands become unbearable (food, chewies, Kongs stuffed with peanut butter, bones...). I think I should start with letting her wear it without the citronella pack on first to get her used to wearing it and not immediatly associate it with the spray. Later, when we opt to utilize the spray we will synch a command "SPRAY!" with the spray so she associates the command with the spray command. With luck the command "SPRAY!" will be all that we need.

I really don't think she is an excessive barker, but man, she has him twisted around her paw.

What do you all think?

Doxherding Karen · March 25, 2009, 08:51:45 PM

Quote from: Leslie on March 25, 2009, 01:18:00 PMI really don't think she is an excessive barker, but man, she has him twisted around her paw.

What do you all think?

Please see my first suggestion.

Or try this: She barks, you tell her quiet. She stays quiet. you tell her, "Good quiet" and you give her a piece of kibble. You tell her quiet again. She stays quiet again, give her another piece of kibble. you keep doing this all night. Slowly make the time longer, but you have to watch and be vigilant. Or stun DH.

"If it has tires or testicles, it's going to give you trouble."

A.K. :thumb:

Kathleen · March 26, 2009, 12:01:52 AM

Last year I used the bark collars that spray citronella. You can't just stick them on and expect them to work though-there is training involved, but they dramatically reduced the barking in my house, and my worst offender, Murphy, now does "Quiet" on command (although he "Boof"s quietly in protest still, lol).

I put them on the three I had at the time and went out in the front yard with them. Someone walked by, they all barked and all three got sprayed a light citronella spray in the face. I said nothing. It happened again a few times, and I said nothing. Then, someone walked by, and Winston didn't bark, so I said "Good Quiet!", very enthusiastic and gave him a treat. Within a few more people, all three had figured out not to bark and they'd get "Good Quiet" and treats. I did that for a couple of weeks, and it worked like a charm for me. They need a refresher this spring since I haven't had them outside much over the winter.

doxielady5569128 · March 26, 2009, 07:32:14 AM

Here's another idea. Porky had the same problem driving my hubby crazy with barking for attention. Since it sounds like "attention" barking that Loki is doing...try this. It worked with Porky but it WAS NOT fun!

Move Loki in a crate to another room when the news is on. Then shut the door. You can stay in there with her if you want. She'll of course start barking and then you need to completely ignore her, don't even look at her. Then once she quits barking, immediately go give her a treat and tell her "Good Girl!" As soon as she starts barking, all of your attention immediately stops. Eventually she'll learn that when you put her in her crate, you want her to be quiet. You can work with her by moving her crate closer and closer to the room where your DH watches the news. Keep practicing the method until she is quiet consistently. Then all you have to do is put her in a crate during the news and let her out as soon as its over.

Porky used to attention bark when my hubby was on the phone. Drove him crazy. So...we tried this method and it seemed to work. We taught Porky the "Time-Out" command when we were putting him in his crate. Porky now understands that being told "Time-Out" and put in your crate means be quiet and you'll get out faster than if you bark. Porky usually lays down in there and takes a nap.

I really hope you find something that works for you and Loki.

Leslie · March 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM

Quote from: doxielady5569128 on March 26, 2009, 07:32:14 AM
Here's another idea. Porky had the same problem driving my hubby crazy with barking for attention. Since it sounds like "attention" barking that Loki is doing...try this. It worked with Porky but it WAS NOT fun!

Move Loki in a crate to another room when the news is on. Then shut the door. You can stay in there with her if you want. She'll of course start barking and then you need to completely ignore her, don't even look at her. Then once she quits barking, immediately go give her a treat and tell her "Good Girl!" As soon as she starts barking, all of your attention immediately stops. Eventually she'll learn that when you put her in her crate, you want her to be quiet. You can work with her by moving her crate closer and closer to the room where your DH watches the news. Keep practicing the method until she is quiet consistently. Then all you have to do is put her in a crate during the news and let her out as soon as its over.

Porky used to attention bark when my hubby was on the phone. Drove him crazy. So...we tried this method and it seemed to work. We taught Porky the "Time-Out" command when we were putting him in his crate. Porky now understands that being told "Time-Out" and put in your crate means be quiet and you'll get out faster than if you bark. Porky usually lays down in there and takes a nap.

I really hope you find something that works for you and Loki.

Hmmmmm. She does go into her crate on command every night and 99.9999999% of the time is perfectly quiet. So, she knows the command....will have to work on this.

and last night, wasn't she the sweetest, most well behaved dog EVAR because she got her precious rawhide chewie. We even had a nice little grooming session in the bathroom and I cleaned her ears. (BUT DON'T TOUCH MY FEETIES!!!!!!!!!!)
That said, the training process is continuous with Loki. I am getting her accustomed to me touching her feet with the toe nail clippers. "I'm touchin ya! I'm touchin' ya!" (big smile and cheery voice)followed by cookie. I also put the clippers in various accessible places around the house so she gets used them just "being" and not coming out only when it's clippy time. In the meantime, she still gets her toenails done at the vets. And yet, I can put eye ointment?!!wth???
She is my challenge kid but I do love her.