Is Bandit really a purebred Dach??

[krs123]

It seems as though i have gotten a couple of comments from my mom and someone here that has posted that she didn't think he was a Dach? Well, now i must share my story with you all. I am so embaressed! When i went to meet Bandit at the breeders house, she had just come back from the Vet's office with him from his 8 week check and his health certificate, plus one of her mommies had pups early that morning and ended of having to have a c-section so the breeder (i will call her Mary) was very tired and out of it. When i decide to take him home i wrote her the check and she stated that she had not had him registered yet because he was the only one from that liter and she just decided to wait to see if someone ended up buying him she would register him then. SO, stupid me trusted her and gave her the benefit of the doubt because of her early morning dilema, plus i had just called her the day before i went over there to get him.

Anyway, it will be three weeks this Friday and still do not have paperwork. I have tried to e-mail her several times with no response and only one returned phone call two weeks ago with me again asking for copies of pedigrees of parents to send with registration. She said no problem. I phoned her again last week  and sent her another e-mail over the weekend with no response yet.

My husband thinks i might be a little too impatient, but i am beginning to think that i may have gotten taken advantage of! Don't get me wrong---- I LOVE bandit very much and would never give him back or away just because he may not be purebred Dach. Thats not the point. My point is this---i paid for an AKC limited registration breed of dog and feel that if she can't or won't produce the documents to show that then she should give me most of my money back--like that would ever happen! I saw his daddy and mommy when i went to the house and he looked just like dad (supposedly blk/tan longcoat  piebald). Since i have only seen and own a smoothcoat, i didn't think twice that mabey he is not a Dach????

My husband went to her website from his office on friday and pretended to be an interested buyer of Bandit who is still on her we page and she e-mailed him back within 3 hours and said that he was not availble, where he went to live, and that she had other pups that were just beautiful that were available. That makes me suspicious!

Like i said, i feel really stupid that i have gotten myself into this mess but its my own fault for not leaving with all the documents when i purchased him! I love him no matter what and he will have a great life with us regardless of documents or not. i am a very trusting person, although i guess it can bite you in the butt once i awhile!

Do you guys think he looks like a Dach????
krs123

[Doxherding Karen]

I don't know if you can really see well on my accompanying photo, but I basically have four very different styles of "Purebred dschshund".  Guinness, a seven pound mini has all the classic conformation that is in style now - the slender point nose, nice stop, well set ears.  He is a registered purebred, although the papers never got to me as he was rescued from a friend, who rescued him from his original owner.

Dr. Leaky is a miniature basset hound in looks, feet (huge), baying power, and general build.  Merlin may have some of the doxie face, nose and stop, but he has really long legs for a doxie and a dapple grey broken coat - something I have only seen in Jack Russell Terriers.  There are probably other breeds who have broken coats as well.

Roscoe the Handsome One is dachshund built, so chances are good he's close to purebred.

You can spend $65 and have you dog's DNA (a cheek swab) tested and you will get back percentage info on something like 30 of the most popular breeds.  www.baltimoresun.com just ran a week long series on the dog of a Sun writer, "What kind of dog is that?" I think it was called.  It should be archived.  www.mmigenomics.com is the web site and I just ordered two kits.

Bottom line is - the whole AKC registry is run on an honor system that assumes that a litter was actually born of the registered female dog (whose nomenclature was censored because it is a "bad" word!) and sired by the listed dog.  Whose really checking up on it?  Reputation of the breeder, and their total committment to the breed is the only thing keeping any of it honest.

Love your dogs, and if you're dying to find out, get the DNA tested.  I'm planning on testing Beau and Merlin.  They are inseperable running buddies, and it's thought they may be brothers - but it's like Danny DiVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger were in that movie "Twins". 
"Oh yeah, I see the resemblance!"

Karen

[David C.]

At 8 weeks, dachshunds really haven't grown into their typical proportions yet.  Their snouts are short as are their trunks.   As they grow, their trunks and snout get longer and they start looking more like dachshunds by the 5 or 6 month old mark.   I know when I saw Bandit, he reminded me of Rudy as a puppy.   

[TerriL]

Well purebred or not he sure is one handsome boy! 
I only hope that you didn't pay a huge amount for a pure if he is not.  I just LOVE his sweet face! 

[Delia and girls]

As others have already said, it's hard to tell at this early age. Having said that, Bandit looks a lot like a LH purebred puppy. I agree, no matter how much you love him, being taken advantage of is not a pleasant experience. I'm trying to figure out why she wouldn't send you the papers and can't think of a thing. The only thing a limited registration would make a difference in would be if you ever wanted to enter him in field trials. But still, like you said, you PAID for a limited registration!!!! Maybe she'll come through.

[LUVMYGUNNER]

He looks like a doxie to me. Gunner kinda looked like that,  at that age. They are not born with the long nose-LOL :)  it takes a while to get that.

[krs123]

What is an LH purebred?
krs123

[Delia and girls]

What I meant by a LH purebred is...a longhair, purebred dachshund. The more I look at his picture, the more I think he's what you paid for. But you also paid for the papers. Also, if you plan to register him, after a period of time (I don't remember how long), it's more expensive.

I registered both of my girls just because...no real reason. Then about 2 years later, we discovered earthdog and field trials (both of them turned out to be quite the little hunters). Since they were already registered, it was easier to get them started. You just never know how those papers will come in handy. And you may never need them - but if you paid for them, the decision to register him should be yours, not the breeders.

[krs123]

I had called the AKC to check to see if she had registered him yet and they couldn't tell me unless i had the mom and dads AKC names, so i guess if i don't ever get any paperwork i won't even be able to register him myself. Thanks for replying!
krs123

[Doxherding Karen]

Sounds to me like it might be worth three dollars to send her a certified letter, giving her a 10-day time frame to comply or you will report her to a) the AKC; b) the Better Business Bureau, c) any state consumer agency.

IF she's a breeder, that should get her attention.  If you've been scammed, you'll never hear from her and all you'll be out is the three bucks.

Karen

[krs123]

That sounds like a good idea. My husband thinks i should give her a little more time. So this friday will be three weeks, so we'll see after that. Every day that goes by i am getting more irritated that i haven't heard from her. I told my husband that i should take out an article next to the pet classifieds in the paper that i found her in "buyer beware" but he said i can't list her name or she could sue me> I think i will do the certified letter and also tell her that i will put something in the paper about "a mini dachshund breeder" and list her area without mentioning her name. I would just hate to have someone else get taken advantage of like me, although other people may not be as "Stupid" or "Trusting" as i was. I know that she currently has two or three liters right now, so people are going to be contacting her.
krs123

[Doxherding Karen]

I told my husband that i should take out an article next to the pet classifieds in the paper that i found her in "buyer beware" but he said i can't list her name or she could sue me krs123

You can list, very carefully and truthfully, your experience and not get sued.  "Karen Speedone, a doxie breeder, sold a puppy to me for $6,000 as a dog with a limited registration.  I have been trying to get 'Solid Gold's' registration papers, but Karen has not returned phone calls, e-mails, or responded to a certified letter dated 7-2-07 and as of the date of this notice, registration papers have not been received."

Tell her THAT in the certified letter as one of the steps you will take if you don't hear from her by a specific date. :thumb:

[papbouv]

One of our news stations had a bit about breeders and AKC papers it said something about by 8 weeks of age the breeder should have all the paperwork filled out and ready to go with the pup. AKC recommend not buy a puppy unless it is 8 weeks old.How old was your pup when you got it.?
If you decide at a latter date to show in obedience, rally, or the hunting trials I think you can get a LP number from the AKC think you have to send them a couple of pictures and fill out the paperwork.
Good Luck on getting your papers.
Papbouv
PS: Patches does not have papers but I knew that before I bought her figured IF I wanted to do obedience at a latter date would do the LP bit.

[Teresa]

I think the certified letter is a great idea, also. You could even tell her that you have given her the extra time, thinking she probably had good reasons for not getting the papers to you, but at this point are beginning to wonder if you have been scammed by her. Just putting it that way should get her attention, especially if she usually sells a lot of puppies. Breeders usually know how easy it is to sell pups by word of mouth and how easy it is to lose business by word of mouth. I would also let her know that you had contacted the AKC trying to find out if she had registered Bandit, but you were unable to get the info. That way she would know you were serious about getting the papers. I do know one thing for sure-Bandit is one handsome doxie!!!