red mange

judy · December 01, 2005, 03:30:02 AM

I know that all puppies have this red mange but why would it show up in only one puppy after 8 months and the rest of the litter never had a problem? I also know that they get this after or during stressful times ,such as getting their new teeth but after 8mos?

LUVMYGUNNER · December 01, 2005, 06:15:27 AM

Gunner was about that age when he got it. My vet said that it is sometimes caused by the nursing mom--she should not be breed. Some puppies can fight it but some have a low immume system. Gunner had to get shots and dips for his, his was not going away by itself, also the vet does a scraping and you have to have a few negative ones before it is considered gone. If you got her from a breeder you should notify her. Also do a search on red mange.

Jen · December 01, 2005, 07:02:03 AM

I think the mange you are probably referring to is Demodectic mange this is what is called "puppy mange" it is usually transmitted from mother to puppy. Heres a couple good links...

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/demodectic_mange.html

http://www.dr-dan.com/red.htm

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1556&S=4&SourceID=61

There is also another kind of mange "Sarcoptic mange" this is caused by Scabies mite... this is the one that is contagious.

I believe most vets treat Demodex with dips and/or Ivermectin the active ingredient in Heartgard.

Good Luck :)

Jen & the Crew

LUVMYGUNNER · December 01, 2005, 07:26:02 AM

Thanks for the links Jen. That is also the medication that Gunner took--he took one shot every week for a couple of months, and got a couple of tips. All puppies carry it but by some the immume system is low and they can't fight it while others do and never need to see a vet.

judy · December 01, 2005, 09:36:26 AM

Hi,
Thank you for the information. None of the other puppies got it and this is her second litter and none showed up in the first and only one in the second. I have looked up this mange before and the mother is always dipped before whelping. I was told by my vet that it shows up when they are stressed and I saw the puppy in Oct and no problem then.
Thanks again

Jen · December 01, 2005, 10:25:13 AM

Judy,

Sometimes we never know the reason why these things appear it could be anything from recent shots (which can tax the immune system) to a change in diet which can cause this stuff to rear it's ugly head... anything stressful. All you can do at this point is treat it and I'm sure the puppy will be just fine. I do admit i have never heard of dipping a pregnant [censored] before though ?? What sort of dip did they use that was safe during pregnancy?

Good Luck
Jen

judy · December 01, 2005, 11:03:38 AM

Hello Jen,
I used Happy Jack very very diluted. This is a puppy that I exchanged with another breeder and the only one to get it. Infact I have kept one of the puppies also and have no problems with her at all. I just want to do the right thing by paying for this treatment or giving her another puppy in place of this one because she was going to breed her. Now the sire was different than the one i used this time and this happened out of the first litter of 6, no others have problems I double checked.
Thanks
Judy

Jen · December 01, 2005, 11:27:14 AM

Judy,

Trade with another breeder?

I guess i didn't pick up on the fact that you bred the litter....
I would under NO circumstances ever dip a female for anything while in whelp!

Jen

LUVMYGUNNER · December 01, 2005, 11:36:30 AM

Once Gunner got over the treatment he never got it again. I paid for his treatment and would have never exchanged him for another pup.

judy · December 01, 2005, 02:23:50 PM

Hi Again,
Well thank you for your input but i do the dipping like 2 weeks after her heat and bath her very well. See all my babies and adults live in my home not in a kennel/cage or on concrete they are whelped in my bedroom and move to another room when they are coming off mom then about 7 weeks they socialize with the adults and learn how to use the puppy door and paper and then go back to the middle room to sleep but are never unsupervised I am home almost 24/7 with maybe a hour out a week .
So most of this is still new to me & i'm still learning about breeding i've been doing this right at 3 yrs.
I just wanted to do the right thing as far as that one puppy is concerned.p.s. i just joined this website yesterday.
Thanks
Judy

Krista · December 02, 2005, 05:58:33 AM

Judy I hope you are able to get the mange under control for this puppy. You might consider getting a reputable, experienced breeder to mentor you as you try to learn about breeding. They can help you evaluate pedigrees, watch for certain health issues and choose what dogs should or should not be bred. Such a breeder would also be happy to help you with drafting puppy sales contracts with appropriate clauses for spay/neuter, return policies, and transfer policies - as well as health guarantees.

Someone from the Dachshund Club of America might be able to help you find such a mentor.

Julie · December 02, 2005, 07:37:36 AM

Sergeant had Demodectic mange when he was about 4 months old. It was from the stress of his neutering. He just had a couple of small patches. The vet suggested that before we start dipping and shots, to just watch it. If it grew then we would dip, but he said that a lot of times it will go away on its own, which it did. He has never had another episode of it. The vet said that it is genetic, but only some puppies get it and others don't. Just depends on the dog. Fortunately Sgt's immune system was strong enough to fight it off on his own.

judy · December 02, 2005, 07:57:01 AM

Hi Krista,
Thank you for your advise and i had some one helping me and we are not communicating at the present time (she is very very busy). I'm sure the puppy will be okay seeing as thou she been breeding longer than I have. The baby is being treated.
This is the reason I joined this club for advise on what I have done wrong or what needs to be corrected on/or add to my breeding program. When i purchase a baby i check thier pedigrees against my 2 sires, (both of them carry for choc and blk /tan, 1's a double dapple, the other is a cream piebald. That took me a while to learn about pedigrees and mayb what to expect from the litter, I like to see the parents also if possible, but they do surprise you. Like Mardas litter everyone thought I would just have m/s from pie sire ,didn't happen Mardas, great grand father was a pie and she pulled it on all 4 of the babies
I talked with my vet yesterday and he told me to not to breed Marda again and see if it came from one of the two sire or if it's Marda herself,we should know by the time this litter of hers turns 7/8 mos old.
Otherwise i believe that I have done well with the advise you and the other breeder/s have given me. I have only as many dachshunds that I can love and take care of personnally. so THANKS TO EVERYONE"S HELP & ADVISE
I am at home all the time because of a disabilty and I just love all the babies, plus my hubby told me that if we ever had to put them in kennel runs, that this would be the end, we believe they don't need to be caged up.
Thanks again
Judy

Krista · December 02, 2005, 08:35:28 AM

Hi Judy. Most of us here on this board do not breed and are owned by spayed/neutered dogs. We prefer to leave that to the experts who are really taking the time to do it properly and work to improve the breed. A number of us volunteer with animal shelters or dachshund rescue. There are a couple of reputable breeders that post here from time to time though.

One thing I do know is that in researching pedigrees and dachshund lines, there is a LOT more to consider than what color, coat type or size the dogs are. You must consider the health of the animals in the dogs lineage - epilepsy, back problems, PRA, thyroid disorders, luxating patellas....etc can all be genetically related. You should also be checking out the confirmation of the dog - confirmation is not always just for looks as many people who don't show their dogs may try and tell you. Adhering as closely to the breed standard as possible really is important. If you are breeding, you should try and breed the best. Toplines, keels, ribbing, posture, leg structure...etc really should be examined and when dogs are bred, you should try and find dogs that compliment eachother and have one be very strong where the other might be weaker confirmationally. Reasearching these things takes a lot of time, and I know reputable breeders research for months, or even years before finding the right dogs to breed for each breeding they undertake (with hopes to build a good, solid line).

Hopefully one of the few here that breed will respond here (or contact you in private message or email) with more information since you are looking for help with breeding and most of us will be of little help with that topic.

Jen · December 02, 2005, 09:51:29 AM

Judy,

There is SO much that goes into breeding sound (well conformed), good tempered, healthy dachshunds.
When starting out the best thing to do is find out about dog shows in your area (preferably prior to breeding... but it's never to late we all had to start somewhere) meet the breeders and talk with them out the dogs ask lots of questions and take notes if you need to. Decide what type of dachshund you are most interested in ... do you want to breed Miniatures or Standards? Smoothes, Longs or Wires? Most good breeders do not breed all the coats and both sizes they stick to 1 or 2. Look at your current breeding stock with a very critical eye.. how much do you REALLY know about their pedigree other than color/patterns? Do you know about the genetic defects behind the dogs and where they are? Do you know how they measure up to the breed standard (strengths and weaknesses)? Do you know the dangers associated with some of the colors and patterns for example: Double Dapples? There is nothing wrong with spaying and neutering dogs that don't measure up to the standard... it doesn't mean they won't be wonderful loving pets it just means not every dog should be bred. We should strive to breed the BEST dachshunds we can that should always be #1! (conformation, health & temperament)!
Here is a link the illustrated Standard for the dachshund...
http://www.dachshund-dca.org/Illustrated_Standard_ad.html

Remember as i said above we all had to start somewhere about 7yrs ago i had a few dogs just like yourself and i had all plans of breeding a litters of cute pups here and there ... thankfully i met some wonderful people that helped me down the right path before i went too far down the wrong one. I looked at what i had and realized that while i loved all these dogs i wasn't breeding to make the breed any better i was breeding for my own selfish reasons (cute puppies!) at that point i made the decision to spay and place most of my pet quality dogs and decided if i was going to breed dachshunds i was going to do it the right way and i have not looked back since.

Breeding is a LOT of work and if i am going to put my heart and soul into something i am going to do the best that i can.
I have 2 of the most wonderful mentors you can imagine combined they have more than 40yrs experience in the breed and more than 100 champions to their credit they have been there to answer my endless stream of questions and give my their advice freely they have helped me develop a eye for a good dachshund they showed me there is lots more to pedigree research than just a number and color. I do hope that you will read the links that i have provided and take what i have said to heart. Breeding dogs is not cheap and if you do it the right way you will never make any money on the puppies.

Here is a very good article on Reputable Breeders
http://www.rugerdachshunds.com/breeders.html
Make sure you visit the links on this site as well.

Good Luck :thumb:

Jen